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From the Bookshelf

GARY SHAPIRO’S FROM THE BOOKSHELF

From the Bookshelf is produced with support from radio station KSQD in Santa Cruz California. Host Gary Shapiro brings you interviews with best selling authors of fiction and nonfiction, graphic novelists, actors, photographers, and singer-songwriters discussing their works. Visit us on Facebook! Your comments are welcome. Email us at gary@rattlebrain.com.

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Jonathan Mahler

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Jonathan Mahler

00:00 / 00:58:31

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<blockquote class="wp-embedded-content" data-secret="4AcwBjduup"><a href="https://fromthebookshelf.com/podcast/jonathan-mahler/">Jonathan Mahler</a></blockquote><iframe sandbox="allow-scripts" security="restricted" src="https://fromthebookshelf.com/podcast/jonathan-mahler/embed/#?secret=4AcwBjduup" width="500" height="350" title="“Jonathan Mahler” — From the Bookshelf" data-secret="4AcwBjduup" frameborder="0" marginwidth="0" marginheight="0" scrolling="no" class="wp-embedded-content"></iframe><script> /*! This file is auto-generated */ !function(d,l){"use strict";l.querySelector&&d.addEventListener&&"undefined"!=typeof URL&&(d.wp=d.wp||{},d.wp.receiveEmbedMessage||(d.wp.receiveEmbedMessage=function(e){var t=e.data;if((t||t.secret||t.message||t.value)&&!/[^a-zA-Z0-9]/.test(t.secret)){for(var s,r,n,a=l.querySelectorAll('iframe[data-secret="'+t.secret+'"]'),o=l.querySelectorAll('blockquote[data-secret="'+t.secret+'"]'),c=new RegExp("^https?:$","i"),i=0;i<o.length;i++)o[i].style.display="none";for(i=0;i<a.length;i++)s=a[i],e.source===s.contentWindow&&(s.removeAttribute("style"),"height"===t.message?(1e3<(r=parseInt(t.value,10))?r=1e3:~~r<200&&(r=200),s.height=r):"link"===t.message&&(r=new URL(s.getAttribute("src")),n=new URL(t.value),c.test(n.protocol))&&n.host===r.host&&l.activeElement===s&&(d.top.location.href=t.value))}},d.addEventListener("message",d.wp.receiveEmbedMessage,!1),l.addEventListener("DOMContentLoaded",function(){for(var e,t,s=l.querySelectorAll("iframe.wp-embedded-content"),r=0;r<s.length;r++)(t=(e=s[r]).getAttribute("data-secret"))||(t=Math.random().toString(36).substring(2,12),e.src+="#?secret="+t,e.setAttribute("data-secret",t)),e.contentWindow.postMessage({message:"ready",secret:t},"*")},!1)))}(window,document); //# sourceURL=https://fromthebookshelf.com/wordpress/wp-includes/js/wp-embed.min.js </script>

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Johnathan Mahler discusses his new book The Gods Of New York: Egotists, Idealists, Opportunists, and the Birth Of The Modern City 1986=1990

October 23, 2025
Peter Guralnick

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Peter Guralnick

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<blockquote class="wp-embedded-content" data-secret="XggbrAW6s3"><a href="https://fromthebookshelf.com/podcast/peter-guralnick/">Peter Guralnick</a></blockquote><iframe sandbox="allow-scripts" security="restricted" src="https://fromthebookshelf.com/podcast/peter-guralnick/embed/#?secret=XggbrAW6s3" width="500" height="350" title="“Peter Guralnick” — From the Bookshelf" data-secret="XggbrAW6s3" frameborder="0" marginwidth="0" marginheight="0" scrolling="no" class="wp-embedded-content"></iframe><script> /*! This file is auto-generated */ !function(d,l){"use strict";l.querySelector&&d.addEventListener&&"undefined"!=typeof URL&&(d.wp=d.wp||{},d.wp.receiveEmbedMessage||(d.wp.receiveEmbedMessage=function(e){var t=e.data;if((t||t.secret||t.message||t.value)&&!/[^a-zA-Z0-9]/.test(t.secret)){for(var s,r,n,a=l.querySelectorAll('iframe[data-secret="'+t.secret+'"]'),o=l.querySelectorAll('blockquote[data-secret="'+t.secret+'"]'),c=new RegExp("^https?:$","i"),i=0;i<o.length;i++)o[i].style.display="none";for(i=0;i<a.length;i++)s=a[i],e.source===s.contentWindow&&(s.removeAttribute("style"),"height"===t.message?(1e3<(r=parseInt(t.value,10))?r=1e3:~~r<200&&(r=200),s.height=r):"link"===t.message&&(r=new URL(s.getAttribute("src")),n=new URL(t.value),c.test(n.protocol))&&n.host===r.host&&l.activeElement===s&&(d.top.location.href=t.value))}},d.addEventListener("message",d.wp.receiveEmbedMessage,!1),l.addEventListener("DOMContentLoaded",function(){for(var e,t,s=l.querySelectorAll("iframe.wp-embedded-content"),r=0;r<s.length;r++)(t=(e=s[r]).getAttribute("data-secret"))||(t=Math.random().toString(36).substring(2,12),e.src+="#?secret="+t,e.setAttribute("data-secret",t)),e.contentWindow.postMessage({message:"ready",secret:t},"*")},!1)))}(window,document); //# sourceURL=https://fromthebookshelf.com/wordpress/wp-includes/js/wp-embed.min.js </script>

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Rock historian and Elvis Presley scholar Peter Guralnick discusses his new book, The Colonel and the King: Tom Parker, Elvis Presley, and the Partnership That Rocked The World.

October 16, 2025
Bobby Hart – Mary Beth Norton

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Bobby Hart – Mary Beth Norton

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<blockquote class="wp-embedded-content" data-secret="MhVqOWAKyL"><a href="https://fromthebookshelf.com/podcast/bobby-hart-mary-beth-norton/">Bobby Hart – Mary Beth Norton</a></blockquote><iframe sandbox="allow-scripts" security="restricted" src="https://fromthebookshelf.com/podcast/bobby-hart-mary-beth-norton/embed/#?secret=MhVqOWAKyL" width="500" height="350" title="“Bobby Hart – Mary Beth Norton” — From the Bookshelf" data-secret="MhVqOWAKyL" frameborder="0" marginwidth="0" marginheight="0" scrolling="no" class="wp-embedded-content"></iframe><script> /*! This file is auto-generated */ !function(d,l){"use strict";l.querySelector&&d.addEventListener&&"undefined"!=typeof URL&&(d.wp=d.wp||{},d.wp.receiveEmbedMessage||(d.wp.receiveEmbedMessage=function(e){var t=e.data;if((t||t.secret||t.message||t.value)&&!/[^a-zA-Z0-9]/.test(t.secret)){for(var s,r,n,a=l.querySelectorAll('iframe[data-secret="'+t.secret+'"]'),o=l.querySelectorAll('blockquote[data-secret="'+t.secret+'"]'),c=new RegExp("^https?:$","i"),i=0;i<o.length;i++)o[i].style.display="none";for(i=0;i<a.length;i++)s=a[i],e.source===s.contentWindow&&(s.removeAttribute("style"),"height"===t.message?(1e3<(r=parseInt(t.value,10))?r=1e3:~~r<200&&(r=200),s.height=r):"link"===t.message&&(r=new URL(s.getAttribute("src")),n=new URL(t.value),c.test(n.protocol))&&n.host===r.host&&l.activeElement===s&&(d.top.location.href=t.value))}},d.addEventListener("message",d.wp.receiveEmbedMessage,!1),l.addEventListener("DOMContentLoaded",function(){for(var e,t,s=l.querySelectorAll("iframe.wp-embedded-content"),r=0;r<s.length;r++)(t=(e=s[r]).getAttribute("data-secret"))||(t=Math.random().toString(36).substring(2,12),e.src+="#?secret="+t,e.setAttribute("data-secret",t)),e.contentWindow.postMessage({message:"ready",secret:t},"*")},!1)))}(window,document); //# sourceURL=https://fromthebookshelf.com/wordpress/wp-includes/js/wp-embed.min.js </script>

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The late Bobby Hart, creator of the sound of The Monkees is remembered in 2015 interview. Historian Mary Beth Norton on her new book, I Humbly Beg Your Speedy Answer:Letter On Love And Marriage From The World’s First Personal Advice Column.

September 18, 2025
Howard Yaruss

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Howard Yaruss

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<blockquote class="wp-embedded-content" data-secret="U0H31ODRXT"><a href="https://fromthebookshelf.com/podcast/howard-yaruss/">Howard Yaruss</a></blockquote><iframe sandbox="allow-scripts" security="restricted" src="https://fromthebookshelf.com/podcast/howard-yaruss/embed/#?secret=U0H31ODRXT" width="500" height="350" title="“Howard Yaruss” — From the Bookshelf" data-secret="U0H31ODRXT" frameborder="0" marginwidth="0" marginheight="0" scrolling="no" class="wp-embedded-content"></iframe><script> /*! This file is auto-generated */ !function(d,l){"use strict";l.querySelector&&d.addEventListener&&"undefined"!=typeof URL&&(d.wp=d.wp||{},d.wp.receiveEmbedMessage||(d.wp.receiveEmbedMessage=function(e){var t=e.data;if((t||t.secret||t.message||t.value)&&!/[^a-zA-Z0-9]/.test(t.secret)){for(var s,r,n,a=l.querySelectorAll('iframe[data-secret="'+t.secret+'"]'),o=l.querySelectorAll('blockquote[data-secret="'+t.secret+'"]'),c=new RegExp("^https?:$","i"),i=0;i<o.length;i++)o[i].style.display="none";for(i=0;i<a.length;i++)s=a[i],e.source===s.contentWindow&&(s.removeAttribute("style"),"height"===t.message?(1e3<(r=parseInt(t.value,10))?r=1e3:~~r<200&&(r=200),s.height=r):"link"===t.message&&(r=new URL(s.getAttribute("src")),n=new URL(t.value),c.test(n.protocol))&&n.host===r.host&&l.activeElement===s&&(d.top.location.href=t.value))}},d.addEventListener("message",d.wp.receiveEmbedMessage,!1),l.addEventListener("DOMContentLoaded",function(){for(var e,t,s=l.querySelectorAll("iframe.wp-embedded-content"),r=0;r<s.length;r++)(t=(e=s[r]).getAttribute("data-secret"))||(t=Math.random().toString(36).substring(2,12),e.src+="#?secret="+t,e.setAttribute("data-secret",t)),e.contentWindow.postMessage({message:"ready",secret:t},"*")},!1)))}(window,document); //# sourceURL=https://fromthebookshelf.com/wordpress/wp-includes/js/wp-embed.min.js </script>

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Economist, professor, lawyer and activist Howard Yaruss discusses his book, Understandable Economics: Beacause Understanding Economics Is Easier Than You Think and More Important Than You Know.

September 4, 2025
Jennifer Keishin Armstrong

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Jennifer Keishin Armstrong

00:00 / 00:57:58

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<blockquote class="wp-embedded-content" data-secret="mGlB99aMIv"><a href="https://fromthebookshelf.com/podcast/jennifer-keishin-armstrong/">Jennifer Keishin Armstrong</a></blockquote><iframe sandbox="allow-scripts" security="restricted" src="https://fromthebookshelf.com/podcast/jennifer-keishin-armstrong/embed/#?secret=mGlB99aMIv" width="500" height="350" title="“Jennifer Keishin Armstrong” — From the Bookshelf" data-secret="mGlB99aMIv" frameborder="0" marginwidth="0" marginheight="0" scrolling="no" class="wp-embedded-content"></iframe><script> /*! This file is auto-generated */ !function(d,l){"use strict";l.querySelector&&d.addEventListener&&"undefined"!=typeof URL&&(d.wp=d.wp||{},d.wp.receiveEmbedMessage||(d.wp.receiveEmbedMessage=function(e){var t=e.data;if((t||t.secret||t.message||t.value)&&!/[^a-zA-Z0-9]/.test(t.secret)){for(var s,r,n,a=l.querySelectorAll('iframe[data-secret="'+t.secret+'"]'),o=l.querySelectorAll('blockquote[data-secret="'+t.secret+'"]'),c=new RegExp("^https?:$","i"),i=0;i<o.length;i++)o[i].style.display="none";for(i=0;i<a.length;i++)s=a[i],e.source===s.contentWindow&&(s.removeAttribute("style"),"height"===t.message?(1e3<(r=parseInt(t.value,10))?r=1e3:~~r<200&&(r=200),s.height=r):"link"===t.message&&(r=new URL(s.getAttribute("src")),n=new URL(t.value),c.test(n.protocol))&&n.host===r.host&&l.activeElement===s&&(d.top.location.href=t.value))}},d.addEventListener("message",d.wp.receiveEmbedMessage,!1),l.addEventListener("DOMContentLoaded",function(){for(var e,t,s=l.querySelectorAll("iframe.wp-embedded-content"),r=0;r<s.length;r++)(t=(e=s[r]).getAttribute("data-secret"))||(t=Math.random().toString(36).substring(2,12),e.src+="#?secret="+t,e.setAttribute("data-secret",t)),e.contentWindow.postMessage({message:"ready",secret:t},"*")},!1)))}(window,document); //# sourceURL=https://fromthebookshelf.com/wordpress/wp-includes/js/wp-embed.min.js </script>

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Popular culture historian Jennifer Keishin Armstrong reflects on the end of And Just Like That…, the Sex and the City sequel.

August 28, 2025
Dean Butler

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Dean Butler

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<blockquote class="wp-embedded-content" data-secret="BlXjy52WUb"><a href="https://fromthebookshelf.com/podcast/dean-butler/">Dean Butler</a></blockquote><iframe sandbox="allow-scripts" security="restricted" src="https://fromthebookshelf.com/podcast/dean-butler/embed/#?secret=BlXjy52WUb" width="500" height="350" title="“Dean Butler” — From the Bookshelf" data-secret="BlXjy52WUb" frameborder="0" marginwidth="0" marginheight="0" scrolling="no" class="wp-embedded-content"></iframe><script> /*! This file is auto-generated */ !function(d,l){"use strict";l.querySelector&&d.addEventListener&&"undefined"!=typeof URL&&(d.wp=d.wp||{},d.wp.receiveEmbedMessage||(d.wp.receiveEmbedMessage=function(e){var t=e.data;if((t||t.secret||t.message||t.value)&&!/[^a-zA-Z0-9]/.test(t.secret)){for(var s,r,n,a=l.querySelectorAll('iframe[data-secret="'+t.secret+'"]'),o=l.querySelectorAll('blockquote[data-secret="'+t.secret+'"]'),c=new RegExp("^https?:$","i"),i=0;i<o.length;i++)o[i].style.display="none";for(i=0;i<a.length;i++)s=a[i],e.source===s.contentWindow&&(s.removeAttribute("style"),"height"===t.message?(1e3<(r=parseInt(t.value,10))?r=1e3:~~r<200&&(r=200),s.height=r):"link"===t.message&&(r=new URL(s.getAttribute("src")),n=new URL(t.value),c.test(n.protocol))&&n.host===r.host&&l.activeElement===s&&(d.top.location.href=t.value))}},d.addEventListener("message",d.wp.receiveEmbedMessage,!1),l.addEventListener("DOMContentLoaded",function(){for(var e,t,s=l.querySelectorAll("iframe.wp-embedded-content"),r=0;r<s.length;r++)(t=(e=s[r]).getAttribute("data-secret"))||(t=Math.random().toString(36).substring(2,12),e.src+="#?secret="+t,e.setAttribute("data-secret",t)),e.contentWindow.postMessage({message:"ready",secret:t},"*")},!1)))}(window,document); //# sourceURL=https://fromthebookshelf.com/wordpress/wp-includes/js/wp-embed.min.js </script>

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Actor Dean Butler discusses his new memoir Prairie Man: My Little House Life and Beyond.

August 21, 2025
Jim Newton on Jerry Garcia

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Jim Newton on Jerry Garcia

00:00 / 00:57:32

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<blockquote class="wp-embedded-content" data-secret="hj9q9LZWdv"><a href="https://fromthebookshelf.com/podcast/jim-newton-on-jerry-garcia/">Jim Newton on Jerry Garcia</a></blockquote><iframe sandbox="allow-scripts" security="restricted" src="https://fromthebookshelf.com/podcast/jim-newton-on-jerry-garcia/embed/#?secret=hj9q9LZWdv" width="500" height="350" title="“Jim Newton on Jerry Garcia” — From the Bookshelf" data-secret="hj9q9LZWdv" frameborder="0" marginwidth="0" marginheight="0" scrolling="no" class="wp-embedded-content"></iframe><script> /*! This file is auto-generated */ !function(d,l){"use strict";l.querySelector&&d.addEventListener&&"undefined"!=typeof URL&&(d.wp=d.wp||{},d.wp.receiveEmbedMessage||(d.wp.receiveEmbedMessage=function(e){var t=e.data;if((t||t.secret||t.message||t.value)&&!/[^a-zA-Z0-9]/.test(t.secret)){for(var s,r,n,a=l.querySelectorAll('iframe[data-secret="'+t.secret+'"]'),o=l.querySelectorAll('blockquote[data-secret="'+t.secret+'"]'),c=new RegExp("^https?:$","i"),i=0;i<o.length;i++)o[i].style.display="none";for(i=0;i<a.length;i++)s=a[i],e.source===s.contentWindow&&(s.removeAttribute("style"),"height"===t.message?(1e3<(r=parseInt(t.value,10))?r=1e3:~~r<200&&(r=200),s.height=r):"link"===t.message&&(r=new URL(s.getAttribute("src")),n=new URL(t.value),c.test(n.protocol))&&n.host===r.host&&l.activeElement===s&&(d.top.location.href=t.value))}},d.addEventListener("message",d.wp.receiveEmbedMessage,!1),l.addEventListener("DOMContentLoaded",function(){for(var e,t,s=l.querySelectorAll("iframe.wp-embedded-content"),r=0;r<s.length;r++)(t=(e=s[r]).getAttribute("data-secret"))||(t=Math.random().toString(36).substring(2,12),e.src+="#?secret="+t,e.setAttribute("data-secret",t)),e.contentWindow.postMessage({message:"ready",secret:t},"*")},!1)))}(window,document); //# sourceURL=https://fromthebookshelf.com/wordpress/wp-includes/js/wp-embed.min.js </script>

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Historian and journalist Jim Newton discusses his new book, Here Beside The Rising Tide: Jerry Garcia, The Grateful Dead, And An American Awakening.

August 14, 2025
Tribute to Tom Lehrer

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Tribute to Tom Lehrer

00:00 / 00:59:32

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On this tribute to Tom Lehrer we listen back to a program recorded in 2006, as well as memories from jazz singer Judy Wexler, actor Josiah Polhemus and songwriter Michael Gould.

July 31, 2025
J. Randy Taraborrelli

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J. Randy Taraborrelli

00:00 / 00:58:08

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<blockquote class="wp-embedded-content" data-secret="1efrv5xjNL"><a href="https://fromthebookshelf.com/podcast/j-randy-taraborrelli/">J. Randy Taraborrelli</a></blockquote><iframe sandbox="allow-scripts" security="restricted" src="https://fromthebookshelf.com/podcast/j-randy-taraborrelli/embed/#?secret=1efrv5xjNL" width="500" height="350" title="“J. Randy Taraborrelli” — From the Bookshelf" data-secret="1efrv5xjNL" frameborder="0" marginwidth="0" marginheight="0" scrolling="no" class="wp-embedded-content"></iframe><script> /*! This file is auto-generated */ !function(d,l){"use strict";l.querySelector&&d.addEventListener&&"undefined"!=typeof URL&&(d.wp=d.wp||{},d.wp.receiveEmbedMessage||(d.wp.receiveEmbedMessage=function(e){var t=e.data;if((t||t.secret||t.message||t.value)&&!/[^a-zA-Z0-9]/.test(t.secret)){for(var s,r,n,a=l.querySelectorAll('iframe[data-secret="'+t.secret+'"]'),o=l.querySelectorAll('blockquote[data-secret="'+t.secret+'"]'),c=new RegExp("^https?:$","i"),i=0;i<o.length;i++)o[i].style.display="none";for(i=0;i<a.length;i++)s=a[i],e.source===s.contentWindow&&(s.removeAttribute("style"),"height"===t.message?(1e3<(r=parseInt(t.value,10))?r=1e3:~~r<200&&(r=200),s.height=r):"link"===t.message&&(r=new URL(s.getAttribute("src")),n=new URL(t.value),c.test(n.protocol))&&n.host===r.host&&l.activeElement===s&&(d.top.location.href=t.value))}},d.addEventListener("message",d.wp.receiveEmbedMessage,!1),l.addEventListener("DOMContentLoaded",function(){for(var e,t,s=l.querySelectorAll("iframe.wp-embedded-content"),r=0;r<s.length;r++)(t=(e=s[r]).getAttribute("data-secret"))||(t=Math.random().toString(36).substring(2,12),e.src+="#?secret="+t,e.setAttribute("data-secret",t)),e.contentWindow.postMessage({message:"ready",secret:t},"*")},!1)))}(window,document); //# sourceURL=https://fromthebookshelf.com/wordpress/wp-includes/js/wp-embed.min.js </script>

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J. Randy Tarraborelli returns to discuss his latest book, JFK Public Private Secret

July 24, 2025
Julie Farnam Returns

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Julie Farnam Returns

00:00 / 00:57:56

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Political expert Julie Farnam, author of Domestic Darkness: An Insiders Account of the January 6th Insurrection and the Future of Right-Wing Extremism is the guest. Plus book publicist Lissa Warren.

June 26, 2025